
Traveller-digest      Monday, October 11 1999      Volume 1999 : Number 1187



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The following topics are covered in this digest:

Inevitable Near-C rocks?
Re: Traveller Forms
Re: Firing two guns at once
SEC: UNCLASSIFIED RE Many guns II

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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 02:16:43 EDT
From: GypsyComet@aol.com
Subject: Inevitable Near-C rocks?

Rupert Boleyn <rboleyn@paradise.net.nz> asks:

>Ok, now explain how come Lucan didn't use them in the Black War period 
>of the Rebellion. He nuked quite a lot of planets bare, and 
>intentionally left many other planets without the infrastructure to 
>support their own populations, so near-c rocks would've been right down 
>his alley.

Simple prep-time limitations. If you can choose between having a factory back 
home chunk out nukes while you use the last batch, or having to find and rig 
an appropriate rock onsite, you go for the factory. It doesn't take the guys 
in the field hardly any time at all to just push launch buttons...

GC

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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 01:14:54 -0500
From: Alex Ingram <ingram@airmail.net>
Subject: Re: Traveller Forms

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Jesse, thanks for the advice. I will see if I can post them to downport. Here
are the first two forms. Comments please.

Alex Ingram

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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:31:18 +1000
From: "The Roc" <roc@kewl.com.au>
Subject: Re: Firing two guns at once

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Frank Pitt <frankie@mundens.gen.nz>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com>
Sent: Friday, October 08, 1999 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: Firing two guns at once


>
> > BTW, weapons' experts...what's with this sidearm pistol shooting
> > that seems to be so popular on TV/movies these days?  Is there *any*
> > advantage that you can see to it?
>
> I hav heard one possible explanation.
>
> Supposedly if you put the ejection port facing down you're less likely to
be
> hit by the brass, and if you're interested in gathering it up again
> afterwards, it won't fly as far or as erratically if it's directed
straight
> down
>
> Frankie
>
>

But most pistols eject from the right (for the majority of right-handed
users) so as the spent cartriges do not travel across their body/face
(safety and non-distraction -- two reasons I was given in the service)...
most of those scenes have the pistol layed inwards placing the port
uppermost not downwards?

- -- The Roc

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:47:16 +1000
From: "Hughes, Michael" <Michael.Hughes@cbr.defence.gov.au>
Subject: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED RE Many guns II

		> RE the various two gun posts and the going dry thing.
Apparently SWAT
		> members go in with several pieces and when one runs dry,
they drop it and
		> simply go to the next weapon. Oh yeah, they only fire one
weapon at a
		time. 
		> 
		More commonly, they have a sling rigged so they can let go
of their primary
		and go to the backup in the event of a mechanical problem,
or if they need
		a free hand for handling prisoners.  The sling arrangement
is designed to
		make sure the gun stays attached to the operator and out of
the way when
		you let go of the gun.  As for reloads, you see many
operators using some
		form of multiple magazine holder these days, with mags
clipped together or
		otherwise mounted on gun for fast reloads (but definitely
not taped
		together with one upside down as so often shown in the
movies). This should
		make a tactical reload faster than switching guns in most
cases.

		 As for Spec Fores on a room clearance, I heard that they
often cruise in
		> with a shotgun tied to their belt and simply let it drop
when dry and go
		to
		> the next piece. Though that could be an old wives tale. 

		That seems unlikely: a shotgun hanging from your belt is
almost certain to
		get between your legs and leave you lying in a heap on the
floor if you
		have to move quickly (Murphy's law and all that).  Besides,
shotguns are
		not the normal weapon of choice for room clearance.  They
get used for
		dismounting doors and the like, but submachineguns are
better for clearing
		a room where you might have friendlies.  (For known hostile
spaces, that's
		what grenades are for.)

Tom Schoene

Yeah that makes a whole lot more sense than what I said. Huh, that's what
you get for a civie trying to talk service.
Come to think of it, as per above, the SG's used to blow the locks then they
switch to a precision weapon upon entry.  

I'm pretty sure about the releasing the primary when dry (and yeah I think
they said it was on a sling or some such) and going for the secondary as
opposed to reloading, on the basis that it was a lot faster to yank a new
weapon and fire than to reload the old. Though this scenario was to do with
a surprise entry into a drug den as opposed to entry after a siege, so I
guess that changes the rules a tad.

Honestly I'm not talking pooh, however I could be relaying misheard pooh.

BTW I got so many ailments that conscription can be bandied about as long as
they like, but I'm still sitting 4F pretty. 

I don't know why I just said that.

Michael Hughes
Knowledge Edge Engagement Policy  & US/NZ Team
International Policy Division
Australian Defence Headquarters
Australian Department of Defence

Phone (B): (02) 6265 6112
Phone (H): (02) 6296 1055
Fax:       (02) 6265 7225
Email: michael.hughes@cbr.defence.gov.au
<mailto:michael.hughes@cbr.defence.gov.au> 

		-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-traveller-digest@lists.imagiconline.com]
		Sent:	Monday, 11 October 1999 14:41
		To:	traveller-digest@lists.imagiconline.com
		Subject:	Traveller-digest V1999 #1185


		Traveller-digest      Monday, October 11 1999      Volume
1999 : Number 1185



		(R)1996. Traveller is a registered trademark of FarFuture
Enterprises.
		All rights reserved.

		The following topics are covered in this digest:

		Re: Parts Quest! ( was Re: Annic Nova (canon)) 
		Re: UNCLASSIFIED: RE: Many, many guns
		Re: GT:Fusion Thrust (Heplar) Missiles
		GTL8/9 Starships
		Re: Starports in the 21C
		Re: Firing two guns at once
		Re: Firing two guns at once
		RE: Firing two guns at once
		Re: 
		Re: Firing two guns at once
		RE: Firing two guns at once
		RE: Survivor kids (Was: Annic Nova)
		RE: Firing two guns at once
		Re: Starports in the 21C
		Re: It pays to be a Traveller player...
		RE: Firing two guns at once
		Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1183
		FFW players out there?
		Re: Parts Quest! ( was Re: Annic Nova (canon)) 
		Re: Parts Quest! ( was Re: Annic Nova (canon)) 

	
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------

		Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 22:39:56 -0500
		From: Richard Wilson <rtwilson@rollanet.org>
		Subject: Re: Parts Quest! ( was Re: Annic Nova (canon)) 

		At 05:49 PM 10/10/99 -0600, you wrote:
		>
		>	OK, folks, this is getting out of hand! The
escalating attacks on
		>innocent keyboards has *got* to stop! No more keyboard
assaults ...
		>Mickeyshit screwed up the one decent thing they produced,
so my MS
		>Natural Keyboard is irreplaceable. Let's negotiate a
Strategic TML
		>Wisecrack Reduction Treaty NOW! The madness must end!

		Strategic TML Wisecrack Reduction Treaty-STMLWRT.
		Strategic Tml Wisecrack Reduction Treaty-STWRT. 
		Strategic Mailing List Wisecrack Reduction Treaty-SMLWRT.

		Nope. Sorry, until we can come up with a cool acronym fot
the treaty's name
		I don't see how we can sit down and negotiate. We wouldn't
know what we
		were negotiating about. 

		Richard Wilson

		------------------------------

		Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 23:57:28 -0400
		From: "Thomas Schoene" <TomSchoene@worldnet.att.net>
		Subject: Re: UNCLASSIFIED: RE: Many, many guns

		- ----------
		> From: Hughes, Michael <Michael.Hughes@cbr.defence.gov.au>
		> To: 'traveller@lists.imagiconline.com'
		> Subject: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED: RE: Many, many guns
		> Date: Sunday, 10 October, 1999 8:51 PM
		> 
		> RE the various two gun posts and the going dry thing.
Apparently SWAT
		> members go in with several pieces and when one runs dry,
they drop it and
		> simply go to the next weapon. Oh yeah, they only fire one
weapon at a
		time. 
		> 
		More commonly, they have a sling rigged so they can let go
of their primary
		and go to the backup in the event of a mechanical problem,
or if they need
		a free hand for handling prisoners.  The sling arrangement
is designed to
		make sure the gun stays attached to the operator and out of
the way when
		you let go of the gun.  As for reloads, you see many
operators using some
		form of multiple magazine holder these days, with mags
clipped together or
		otherwise mounted on gun for fast reloads (but definitely
not taped
		together with one upside down as so often shown in the
movies). This should
		make a tactical reload faster than switching guns in most
cases.

		 As for Spec Fores on a room clearance, I heard that they
often cruise in
		> with a shotgun tied to their belt and simply let it drop
when dry and go
		to
		> the next piece. Though that could be an old wives tale. 

		That seems unlikely: a shotgun hanging from your belt is
almost certain to
		get between your legs and leave you lying in a heap on the
floor if you
		have to move quickly (Murphy's law and all that).  Besides,
shotguns are
		not the normal weapon of choice for room clearance.  They
get used for
		dismounting doors and the like, but submachineguns are
better for clearing
		a room where you might have friendlies.  (For known hostile
spaces, that's
		what grenades are for.)

		Tom Schoene

		------------------------------

		Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 00:02:45 -0400
		From: "Thomas Schoene" <TomSchoene@worldnet.att.net>
		Subject: Re: GT:Fusion Thrust (Heplar) Missiles

		- ----------
		> From: John Buston <John.Buston@tesco.net>
		> To: tml <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com>
		> Subject: Re: GT:Fusion Thrust (Heplar) Missiles
		> Date: Sunday, 10 October, 1999 12:02 PM
		> 
		[snip]
		> I am not trying to create TNE gear using GT, just working
out the
		performance of
		> lower TL drives and missiles for my GT campaign. Is this
stuff going to
		be
		> covered in any GT supplement?

		GT Starships is going to extend the design sequence down to
at least GTL9. 
		I assume there will be GTL9 missiles as well.  But Chris
Thrash is taking
		contributions of modules and systems for the book, so you
might want to ask
		him if he needs GTL9 missile designs.
		 
		> Just altering the TLs in GV2 so that the GTL9 & GTL10
fusion rockets are
		> available one TL early in GT would provide a smoother
transition in drive
		> performances. Looking at the figures from 101 Starships
version 4 makes
		me
		> suspect something like this is in the pipeline.

		I don't think anything like that has been decided, but it's
not a bad
		option.  After all, grav stuff comes in way early too.  

		Tom Schoene

		------------------------------

		Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:46:48 +1000
		From: dadams@parracity.nsw.gov.au
		Subject: GTL8/9 Starships

		>Here is something for you guys to play with.  As Rob found
out
		>many moons ago, so have I: Thrusters and Fusion Reactors
are
		>very large, expensive and inefficient at this TL.

		The only way to get a GTL8-9 starship to fly is extensive
use of countergrav.
		Else the option (IMO, but based on present technology) is to
have dedicated
		ships (ie starships dont land and thus for non combat ships
dont really need
		more than 1g thrust Then use crafts or some other method to
launch into space)
		(I was thinking os a jockey system as used in the space
shuttle). GTL8 can not
		have fusion plants , which is a royal pain in the posterior.

		I dont paticularly like the way GT handles GTL8-9, but it
poses real chalangers
		and provides good ideas for an RPG system (You use internal
combustion to power
		your thrusters? Your braver than you look....).

		I wonder has anyone done Greg Porter's Deisel powered
spaceship?

		How about this for a THUDD chalange. Design a practical
200tn GTL8 or GTL9
		starship?

		Darryl

		------------------------------

		Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 00:13:58 -0600
		From: "David J. Golden" <goldendj@pcisys.net>
		Subject: Re: Starports in the 21C

		At 12:42 AM 10/11/99 GMT, you wrote:
		>"An organization is like a tree full of monkeys,  all on
different
		levels. The 
		>monkeys on the top look down and all they see are smiling
faces, the
		monkeys 
		>on the bottom look up and see nothing but assholes."
		>
- -Unknown
		>                                                     (If
you know,
		tell me.)

			*SPLORT* 

			*Sigh* Does this carnage of innocent computer
equipment never end?
		I'm about to steal a sneeze-guard from the local salad bar
to mount
		between my face and keyboard!

			(Very apt description though!)

		- -- "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" 
		   -- Mahatma Gandhi

		------------------------------

		Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:22:33 +1300
		From: "Rupert Boleyn" <rboleyn@paradise.net.nz>
		Subject: Re: Firing two guns at once

		On 9 Oct 99, at 9:04, Douglas E. Berry wrote:

		> For those not familiar with the M-16, it ejects spent
casings to the right
		> and rear.  Great if you are shooting right handed, they
fly over your
		> shoulder.  If you are left handed, your face gets in the
way.  Maybe it
		> was just the rifle I had in OSUT, but it was a real
problem for me (and
		> probably cost me at least two hits in our final record
firing.)

		Maybe the commies knew a thing or two - all the SKSes and
AKs I've ever 
		used have ejected up and forwards. Mind you so do G3s and
SLRs, so 
		maybe it's just you yanks that haven't cuaght on yet :)


		- --
		Rupert Boleyn <paradise.net.nz>
		Wellington, New Zealand

		A pessimist is an optimist with a sense of history.

		------------------------------

		Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:22:32 +1300
		From: "Rupert Boleyn" <rboleyn@paradise.net.nz>
		Subject: Re: Firing two guns at once

		On 9 Oct 99, at 19:27, Black ICE wrote:

		> Jesse DeGraff wrote:
		> > 
		> > > What do you do with all the partial clips? :-)
		> > 
		> > 
		> > Put it right back where you got the fresh one from in
case you're having
		> > a REALLY bad day :)
		> 
		> Unless, of course, you're firing from the prone position
(as I generally
		> am with my issue M16A2; I don't often "do" pistols).  Then
you can set the
		> partial magazine somewhere nearby, where you won't confuse
it with either
		> full magazines or empty ones.  Assuming that you win the
firefight (and,
		> as a combat-support semi-REMF, I'm not likely to be part
of an assault),
		> you police up your magazines, and reload them all ASAP. I
would imagine
		> that the infantry types are taught something more
efficient, but that sort
		> of training never made it down to us non-combat-arms
types.

		From memory, and for a lefty using an M16A1 in the NZ Army:

		Before the fun even starts place your full mags in your
RIGHT pouch 
		open end (the top) down (this helps keep dirt out), and
facing so that 
		when it is drawn and flipped top up the bullets face away
from yout 
		thumb (it's hard to describe, but easy to show). Make sure
that you 
		haven't put so many mags in that there is no room for your
first empty 
		(which should be loaded into your rifle).

		Once things get underway -
		1) Remove the (hopefully) near empty mag with your right
hand.

		2) Sweep your hand up past the right pouch undoing it along
the way, 
		then downwards placing the mag in the pouch top UP at the
back of the 
		pouch. This makes it esy to tell which mags are still full.

		3) Grap a mag from the front of the pouch (where the full
ones should 
		be) and flip it top up as you move it to the weapon.

		4) Insert the mag into the weapon.

		And for those who emptied the weapon before reloading:

		5) Hit the bolt release catch (whcih is on the left side, so
you'll 
		either need very strong fingers on your left hand, or you'll
need to 
		tip the weapon over to hit it with your right hand).

		6) Hit the bolt assist plunger (this is really optional, but
ensures 
		that a slightly gummed up weapon will still have propley
chambered the 
		round).

		7) Resume firing.

		This may sound complicated, but isn't really, and can be
performed very 
		quickly with practise. Another point against the Steyer AUGs
(aside 
		from being a bullpup) - it has no catch to hold the bolt
back after 
		firing the last round, so running the weapon dry means that
you have to 
		relaod from scratch, recocking the weapon. This is much
slower than 
		just slapping another mag in.


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		Rupert Boleyn <paradise.net.nz>
		Wellington, New Zealand

		A pessimist is an optimist with a sense of history.

		------------------------------

		Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:22:33 +1300
		From: "Rupert Boleyn" <rboleyn@paradise.net.nz>
		Subject: RE: Firing two guns at once

		On 9 Oct 99, at 17:16, Jesse DeGraff wrote:

		> > What do you do with all the partial clips? :-)
		> 
		> > Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)
		> >  shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred
		> > leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort
		> >
		> 
		> 
		> 
		> Put it right back where you got the fresh one from in case
you're having a
		> REALLY bad day :)

		Unless that's where you've got a couple more full clips, in
which case 
		it goes in the pouch on the other side of your webbing. IME
mixing near 
		empty and full mags can lead to nasty surprises.


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		Rupert Boleyn <paradise.net.nz>
		Wellington, New Zealand

		A pessimist is an optimist with a sense of history.

		------------------------------

		Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:22:33 +1300
		From: "Rupert Boleyn" <rboleyn@paradise.net.nz>
		Subject: Re: 

		On 8 Oct 99, at 23:40, William F. Hostman wrote:

		> >Traveller: The New Era
		> >I don't have the basic rules for this game, so can't make
an
		> >evaluation. However, the TL12 4.7cm fusion gun cannot
penetrate
		> >the TL12 heavy battle dress in the RC equipment guide.
The TL14
		> >fusion gun has better penetration, but I have no idea of
the armor
		> >value of TL14 battle dress.
		> 
		> The TL 14 FGMP, versus a Vargr in Combat-Armor, was
ineffective due to not
		> hitting the head. The main shot is reduced quite a bit,
and unless you hit
		> the head, you will merely inconvinience a character... I
know from
		> experience. (I was using d10's for damage, BTW). The
fragments were safely
		> ignored. The Vargr took a total of 7 point blank shots
WHILE HE KICKED TO
		> DEATH the zhodani marine in Cbt armor 14 (Stats for the
armor were from
		> Striker II).

		And of those seven hits the Vargr took, not one knocked him
down? He 
		never had to make a panic check? That wee doggie must have
had an 
		awesome Agility and Initiative!


		- --
		Rupert Boleyn <paradise.net.nz>
		Wellington, New Zealand

		A pessimist is an optimist with a sense of history.

		------------------------------

		Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:22:33 +1300
		From: "Rupert Boleyn" <rboleyn@paradise.net.nz>
		Subject: Re: Firing two guns at once

		On 8 Oct 99, at 18:33, Leonard Erickson wrote:
		 
		> As I recall, it's normal to be right-handed and left-eyed.
Has to do
		> with the way the eyes and brain are wired. The eyes are
wired like this:
		> 
		>         left-eye            right-eye
		>                  \        /
		>                    \    /
		>                      \/
		>                     /  \
		>                   /      \
		>                 /          \
		> left-hemisphere              right-hemisphere
		> 
		> There is some "cross connection" where the bundles cross,
but for the most
		> part the signals go to the opposite hemisphere. 

		Actually it's more complicated than that - the part of the
left eye 
		that sees to ones right sends its signal to the left sude of
the brain, 
		as does the part of the right eye that sees to the right.
The images of 
		the left side go to the right hemisphere of the brain. The
right 
		memisphere also manages the left side of your body. Thus eye
dominance 
		is not really realated to handedness, and AFAIK has more to
do with 
		which eye is 'stronger', and if there is no real difference
the 
		dominant eye is generally the same as the hand (and foot for
that 
		matter). All IIRC.



		- --
		Rupert Boleyn <paradise.net.nz>
		Wellington, New Zealand

		A pessimist is an optimist with a sense of history.

		------------------------------

		Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:22:32 +1300
		From: "Rupert Boleyn" <rboleyn@paradise.net.nz>
		Subject: RE: Firing two guns at once

		On 9 Oct 99, at 16:49, Jesse DeGraff wrote:
		 
		> Unless you're shooting a SPAS-12 one handed, which has
almost no recoil.
		> You just have to have a pretty strong arm to raise that 10
pound beast :)

		Nah, just an old side-by-side that weighed nearly nothing.
It was quite 
		a weird sensation - I could actually feel all the joints in
my wrist 
		squash down and spring back out again. It didn't hurt at the
time, but 
		my wrist ached for a couple of days.


		- --
		Rupert Boleyn <paradise.net.nz>
		Wellington, New Zealand

		A pessimist is an optimist with a sense of history.

		------------------------------

		Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:22:32 +1300
		From: "Rupert Boleyn" <rboleyn@paradise.net.nz>
		Subject: RE: Survivor kids (Was: Annic Nova)

		On 9 Oct 99, at 12:57, Andrew Moffatt-Vallance wrote:

		> Date sent:      	Fri, 08 Oct 1999 15:42:12 -0400
		> From:           	Ian Ferguson <ian@vax2.concordia.ca>
		> 
		> > Timothy Collinson writes:
		> > <snipped>
		> > >I am right in thinking that breastfeeding acts as an
		> > >(effective?) contraceptive aren't I?
		> > <snipped>
		> 
		> > 	I think that it may reduce the odds of getting
pregnant,
		> > 	but not to zero.  Getting only barely enough to eat
is
		> > 	probably more effective at contraception.
		> 
		> Exclusively breastfeeding is a 99%+ effective
contraceptive (thats equal
		> to the best chemical contraceptive). It drops off fairly
rapidly once the
		> child starts to wean. Effectiveness is also decreased
dramatically if the
		> child is not exclusively breasfed.

		The stats I've been reading are somewhere in between these,
and suggest 
		that breastfeeding is of little use as a contraceptive after
the first 
		nine months of breastfeeding.


		- --
		Rupert Boleyn <paradise.net.nz>
		Wellington, New Zealand

		A pessimist is an optimist with a sense of history.

		------------------------------

		Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:22:32 +1300
		From: "Rupert Boleyn" <rboleyn@paradise.net.nz>
		Subject: RE: Firing two guns at once

		On 9 Oct 99, at 17:13, Jesse DeGraff wrote:

		> Yup, that was me.  It actually fairly common enough that
my friend and
		> founder of DSC Dan Niemi does a cross dominant check as
part of the basic
		> pistol course that he teaches.

		I've found in my limited experience with pistols that I'm
equally good 
		in either hand because in with my left hand my better
coordination (I'm 
		a lefty) is off-set by my being slightly right-eye dominant,
while when 
		using my right hand I'm not so coordinated. With a rifle or
shotgun 
		things are similar - I'm not a terribly good snapshooter
left handed, 
		but quite good right handed, once I've practiced a bit (I
normally shot 
		left handed, so it takes a little while to get things down
right 
		handed). For deliberate shooting it's the other way around.


		- --
		Rupert Boleyn <paradise.net.nz>
		Wellington, New Zealand

		A pessimist is an optimist with a sense of history.

		------------------------------

		Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:22:33 +1300
		From: "Rupert Boleyn" <rboleyn@paradise.net.nz>
		Subject: Re: Starports in the 21C

		On 11 Oct 99, at 9:53, dadams@parracity.nsw.gov.au wrote:

		> The Japanese Anime show Macross Plus has a great shot of a
commuter
		> starship leaving a port....sea port that is.
		> 
		> The people embark on the starship like a normal ship, then
it clears the
		> city , then lifts off clear of the population centre.
		> 
		> While some level of hydo is needed in order to do this,
think of the
		> benifits.
		> 
		> 1. Starships and Seaships can share facilities.
		> 2. Starports can be more user friendly (these facilities
tend to be close
		> to city centres) 3. Starships do not land AT the port. The
land in open
		> sea then transit to starport. No more falling starships
blowing up your
		> city.
		> 
		> So, using Singapore as a basis, It wouuld have most of the
infrasturcture
		> allready for this.

		Yeah, and I really want to dip my nice red-hot crytaliron
hull in a 
		brine bath. Seriously IMO landing recently re-entered, and
thus 
		somewhat warm, starships in salty sea water is proably not
going to do 
		much for their longevity.


		- --
		Rupert Boleyn <paradise.net.nz>
		Wellington, New Zealand

		A pessimist is an optimist with a sense of history.

		------------------------------

		Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:22:32 +1300
		From: "Rupert Boleyn" <rboleyn@paradise.net.nz>
		Subject: Re: It pays to be a Traveller player...

		On 10 Oct 99, at 8:15, Douglas E. Berry wrote:

		> If you've never seen the inside of a modern sub, it's
quite amazing.  You
		> go from a room that's filled with bleeding edge computer
equipment into a
		> steampunk maze of pipes and fittings.  After seeing the
berthing
		> comparments, I have a new respect for the people who do
this for a living.

		I went and saw Wing Commander last week (the theatre had a
cheapie 
		night), and it wasn't as bad as I'd expected. One thing I
did like was 
		the way the hangers were spacious, but the crew spaces and
corridor 
		were low and cramped (though the single rooms spoiled this a
bit). 
		Quite a nice change from Star Trek's nice clean hall ways.



		- --
		Rupert Boleyn <paradise.net.nz>
		Wellington, New Zealand

		A pessimist is an optimist with a sense of history.

		------------------------------

		Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:22:32 +1300
		From: "Rupert Boleyn" <rboleyn@paradise.net.nz>
		Subject: RE: Firing two guns at once

		On 9 Oct 99, at 17:21, Jesse DeGraff wrote:

		> Right on, brother!
		> 
		> Jesse

		> > As a former Army pistol team member and long-time combat

		> > USPSA-IPSC shooter it
		> > makes no sense to fire a pistol in each hand unless you
like 
		> > wasting alot of
		> > ammo. The chances of actually hitting your target is
low, maybe 
		> > 20% and that's
		> > if you're experienced.. Only an rank amateur or movie
rambo would 
		> > ever do this.
		> > It makes more sense to buy a high quality carry weapon
and load up with
		> > additional magazines for the same amount of weight. If
you want volume
		> > get a submachine gun like an MP5K.
		> > 
		> > Alex Ingram
		> > 
		> > 

		As a former grunt I say use an assault rifle (or better yet
SAW) and be 
		done.
		 



		- --
		Rupert Boleyn <paradise.net.nz>
		Wellington, New Zealand

		A pessimist is an optimist with a sense of history.

		------------------------------

		Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:30:52 +1300
		From: "Rupert Boleyn" <rboleyn@paradise.net.nz>
		Subject: Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1183

		On 10 Oct 99, at 22:41, Chris Peers wrote:

		> You know, about the near-c rocks...
		> 
		> I was thinking about that as I was reading some non-canon
Scroll of
		> Heresy. The question was probably the same as the Imperial
Navy High
		> Command asked the Empress, "why can't we turn Terra into
an asteroid belt
		> with near-c rocks?  After all, aren't we ruthless
whatever-it-takes
		> war-winning Vilani?" The answer, after the Empress gently
sighed, was
		> "political backlash, fools. After we take Terra, you will
personally
		> occupy Siberia."
		> 
		> Though the Imperium leaves the member worlds to their own
devices, that
		> kind of tactic would scare the hell out of them.  There
would be no way
		> for the Imperium to go back to the "benevolent protector"
role.  The
		> member worlds would be too frightened to leave the people
who would do
		> that in power.  The Imperium would not be credibly able to
tout a
		> philosophy of "no infrastructure damaging wars" after
doing something like
		> that, and that would lower the credibility of a
fundamental Imperial law. 
		> Kind of like the USA saying another country can't be in
the world trade
		> organization because of their hideous human rights record,
and then
		> killing an entire city for rioting.  No one would take the
US seriously on
		> human rights again.
		> 
		> Not only that, but then the Imperium's enemies would do it
too. (Avast, ye
		> scurvy....humans!  give our mighty corsair band tribute
before we crack
		> your planet in half!)  Emperor forbid that the K'kree get
hold of that
		> idea.
		> 
		> Even in the Frontier Wars, the Imperium has shown
restraint in dealing
		> with planetary populations.  The infamous Maneuver of
Ganulph was infamous
		> because it was rare.  The Imperium could have destroyed
whole Zhodani
		> populations by poisoning atmospheres with a biotoxin
delivered by a deep
		> strike, nuclear carpet bombing, near-c rocks, or all the
rest of the
		> holocaustic surprises that tech 15 is capable of, but they
didn't.  The
		> reasons I can think of are 1) political backlash 2)
revenge by the Zhodani
		> 3) it would make the war very, very personal, and harden
the Zhodani,
		> perhaps into a more expansionistic government.

		Ok, now explain how come Lucan didn't use them in the Black
War period 
		of the Rebellion. He nuked quite a lot of planets bare, and 
		intentionally left many other planets without the
infrastructure to 
		support their own populations, so near-c rocks would've been
right down 
		his alley.


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		Rupert Boleyn <paradise.net.nz>
		Wellington, New Zealand

		A pessimist is an optimist with a sense of history.

		------------------------------

		Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 21:35:37 -0700
		From: "Luther Martin" <martin@ksarul.com>
		Subject: FFW players out there?

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think of the =
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played =
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require immediate =
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		Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 00:37:00 -0400
		From: "Keven R. Pittsinger" <jamstar@accesstoledo.com>
		Subject: Re: Parts Quest! ( was Re: Annic Nova (canon)) 

		> At 05:49 PM 10/10/99 -0600, you wrote:
		> >
		> >	OK, folks, this is getting out of hand! The
escalating attacks on
		> >innocent keyboards has *got* to stop! No more keyboard
assaults ...
		> >Mickeyshit screwed up the one decent thing they produced,
so my MS
		> >Natural Keyboard is irreplaceable. Let's negotiate a
Strategic TML
		> >Wisecrack Reduction Treaty NOW! The madness must end!
		> 
		> Strategic TML Wisecrack Reduction Treaty-STMLWRT.
		> Strategic Tml Wisecrack Reduction Treaty-STWRT. 
		> Strategic Mailing List Wisecrack Reduction Treaty-SMLWRT.
		> 
		> Nope. Sorry, until we can come up with a cool acronym fot
the treaty's name
		> I don't see how we can sit down and negotiate. We wouldn't
know what we
		> were negotiating about. 

		Strategic Wisecrack Limitation Treaty.  SWLT.

		OK, can we *PLEASE* get back to discussing Eris' fur now???

		Keven

		- -- 
		tc++ tm+ tn t4- to ru++ ge+ 3i c+ jt au st- ls pi+ ta+ he+
so- vi zh sy
		-
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
- --
	
Science-Fiction Adventure
		                                                     In
Reavers' Deep

		------------------------------

		Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 00:40:15 -0400
		From: "Keven R. Pittsinger" <jamstar@accesstoledo.com>
		Subject: Re: Parts Quest! ( was Re: Annic Nova (canon)) 

		> On 10/10/99 at 10:37 PM,  SD Mooney
<dom@cybergoths.u-net.com> said:
		> 
		> > "Keven R. Pittsinger" <jamstar@accesstoledo.com> writes:
>But
		> >foolishly, ya gotta *trust* me on this one.  Eris is
*FURRY*, not
		> >hairy. >
		> >>Hey, would I lie to you?  (btw, one of my *all-time*
fave lines from 2010)
		> 
		> >I can't remember "Eris is *FURRY*, not hairy." in 2010.
		> 
		> You know, I've been good about ignoring this subject, but
enough is
		> enough!  If you don't stop, it's going to turn into a
canon debate...

		And we'll treat it just *like* a canon debate.  <grin>
		 
		> "In the CT era, Eris was hairy, I tell you!", says Keven,
"He had
		> hair down to there!"

		Furry, *NOT* hairy!!
		 
		> "Well maybe, but I'm telling you that in the T4 ear he had
*much*
		> less hair."  Dom huffs, "and because Milieu 0 comes
thousands of
		> years before Milieu 1100 you can't say Eris is hairy!",
		> 
		> "You're both wrong!  After the Virus got through with him
all he had
		> left was that fur cap, so by GNU he's furry!"  Dave
insists.

		Who said anything about a fur *cap*????????????  Where's
*that* in the 
		rules?????????????
		 
		> Chris breaks in with "Yeah, but if you use the GT
character
		> generation he could have *both*...."

		He's got both now.
		 
		> "Hey, cut that out!  I've got plenty of hair and it's all
mine,
		> too."  Eris growls angrily, "I paid for every damn bit of
it!"

		You bought the company, eh?
		 
		> "These young whippersnappers...no respect for their
elders."  Eris
		> grumbles as he wanders away, "Besides, what has that got
to do with
		> my Parts?  Everything still *works*...usually."

		I resemble that remark...

		Keven

		- -- 
		tc++ tm+ tn t4- to ru++ ge+ 3i c+ jt au st- ls pi+ ta+ he+
so- vi zh sy
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- --
	
Science-Fiction Adventure
		                                                     In
Reavers' Deep

		------------------------------

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